just a couple of things, from an outsider's point of view, since i don't know most of you guys that well. fat, racist, and handicapped jokes are ALL ignorant and in terribly bad taste. but i am bowled over by how so many of you don't hesitate to make fun of a person's disability when you don't like the person herself. in fairness, she can't control being handicapped. hate her for her personality, if you must hate; that, she can control. but on a more basic note, housediva - while i think it's a good thing to stand up for yourself, i have never seen a thread with a post from you that didn't turn out nasty. why do you stick around this board when no one seems to like you? i'm not saying i don't like you, 'cause i don't know anything about you. but it seems that there's nothing to gain by arguing with everyone all the time. either adopt a more positive attitude, or go somewhere where you can get a fresh start (and use the new, fresh attitude when you get to that new board).