brooklynkid

Yeah CP might be that one remaining vice of mine. Anyway, what more can I say? I think me schooling you over and over again is all I needed to do (and that wasn't even a challenge). So now that that's done, I'll allow you to make one last desperate point.

ladies and gentlemen this is your captain speaking. we jave just been notified that there are hijackers on board:laugh:

I used to have one or two, but now I'm pretty much perfect. And if you READ what I had typed, I only passed judgement on selfish people. Is it really just my opinion? Not so sure about that... I had nothing better to do. But now you have bored me. Unless you have something contructive to add to this debate. MIKEY!!: glad to see you joining in!

OK, but should we just throw our hands in the air and accept that as "the way it has to be"? I bet the concept of a traffic light sounded retarded 90 years ago, but people got used to it. Smoking and drinking may go hand in hand, but not for 4 out of 5 people. Can we all agree on what we know is true?: 1. smoking and drinking go hand in hand - but not for everyone! 2. adults employees know what they are getting into 3. the needs of the community come before the desires of the individual Did I miss anything?

Are you comprehending anything that I have been saying? Or are you just skimming for small words? I said the NAME CALLING (i.e. stupid, schmuck, etc) was immature. No, I don't understand you at all. But I think, more importantly, you don't even understand yourself. And no one gave the smoker a license which allows them to impose on others with a selfish vice. no, but people who have nothing intelligent to say and only post messages to see their own name on the screen should be banned, or at least ignored. Thank God people like you aren't running this country. Oh wait, nevermind...we've got W:worry2:

yeah OK. I'm sure you're one of those "considerate types"... Love those designated smoking areas in all those bars and lounges. Even in restaurants with those areas, the staff doesn't want to work there. And no one is taking away OUTSIDE from you, unless they start banning you from parks and making you stay 50 feet away from building entrances like in some cities:D

How was I being melodramatic? I was merely pointing out why a lot of people (even some smokers) don't like being in a smokey bar. I think you're bringing the drama with the immature name calling... No, it really does, for some people who don't smoke at all. My point is that I would be the one doing all those things. However, if someone enjoyed driving like a lunatic, and HIT ME when I DIDN'T ASK to be hit, then that driver is responsible. Should we allow people to drive on the sidewalk just because "they feel like it"? Why am I not allowed to drive through a residential neighborhood with loud music? Because it's an annoyance! Should we just tell the residents "if you don't like it, go live in another town"? I take it you never debated anything seriously with anyone in your life. "GFY" pretty much means "I can't think of anything else to say so I'm going to stomp my feet and give up". Now surely adults knew what they were walking into when they took the bartending job, but now people are beginning to get fed up with the ill effects of working in that environment (just like flight attendants did in the 80s) and the politicians, in this ever-increasingly PC world, are beginning to listen. This is not even mentioning many people who are forced to now tend bar and wait tables in this shit economy... Will the nudity cause health problems somewhere down the line? If so, then you might have a case. Cute:rolleyes:

Well...let's be honest...preaching good health is not a BAD thing. The thing about alcohol is, it's harmless in small amounts. Shit, some people believe that a glass of wine a day will help you live longer. People go to bars to socialize. If I'm sitting with you at a bar and having a cocktail or two, that's not annoying you, making you sick, making your eyes burn, or burning holes in your expensive clothes. Nor are the 400 drinks served a night doing any damage to the bartender's health. No one involved with this law is interested in stopping smokers from smoking. There are enough billboards and commercials for that. This is about others around you being endangered involuntarily.

You seem to not understand the concept of free will. I have the right to put anything I want in my own lungs, stomach, veins, etc. but no one has the right to force anything on me. And, if you look it up, E, K, and coke ODs are not even close to the top causes of death in this country (but wait...cancer and heart disease are!), so don't come at me with the tax dollars BS. Who is judging smokers? This isn't an anti-smoking campaign. This is about the rights of individuals and the issue of personal invasion. You're the one poisoning your body and I'M the blatantly stupid one:rolleyes: And no, not all of us are drug users at heart.

I understand that, but I think it's a little narrow-minded for people to dismiss the argument by simply saying "non-smokers should just go somewhere else". The only reason smoking isn't outlawed altogether is because the government makes billions in cig taxes. But that's a whole other thread. Non-smokers are a majority of the population, believe it or not, and ultimately (not immediately) bar and club revenues will increase due to more people taking advantage of a clean-air environment. If you don't believe it go to LA for a while. disclaimer: personally, I don't care whether the bill passes or not. I don't go out as much as I used to and when I do the places I go to are not that smokey. I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing because I think debate is healthy, unless of course one side's argument is only "go fuck yourself":D

What if someone doesn't want to smell when they get home? Or worse, what if they have asthma or some other condition. Are they not entitled to enjoy themselves? And last time I checked, loud music may impair your hearing, but it won't kill you. If every non smoker listened to you there would be a lot of bars and clubs closing down due to lack of business. It's unbelievable how selfish some people can be... note that you said "WHEN YOU". Those are all things I would be making a conscious decision to do or not do. Not forcing it on other people. So what's your point now? Ummm...no, read what I just said up above. Temper tantrums....cute!

I didn't plan to get involved with yet another thread on this topic but the ignorance is too mind-numbing... The difference is that with booze you are only imposing danger on yourself, unless you are DWI, which has been OUTLAWED (in theory). No one seems to understand that the needs of the community come before the needs of the individual. FYI the original thread complete with back and forth arguments is http://bbs.clubplanet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122076 From my post on that thread: The law is being passed to protect the health of employees and patrons. They are not even addressing the fact that it's a matter of common courtesy and respect for those around you. If I like to listen to music really loud am I allowed to sit a boombox down on the bar next to you? No. Why? It annoys you and might damage your hearing. If my vice is to sit at a bar and poke myself with cocktail toothpicks while I have a pint is it my right to poke you with toothpicks also? I might enjoy that so why shouldn't you just sit there and tolerate it? You would probably find it annoying. Jeez...it would be nice to see a bit of common sense instead of kids stomping their feet like 4 year olds:rolleyes:

Joe don't bother...she'll only ask you to pick her up from the airport and then drop her off at her boyfriend's house.:worry2:

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Way to go, slick... Buy her weed then give her a nasty case of diarrea:rolleyes:

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First...yeah like codica said, stay away from bars and clubs. That scene is the worst for meeting nice people. Second, how old are the girls you are meeting? I have to say, it all kind of sucked until I hit my mid-late 20s. People tend to mature at that age and don't seem to be as phoney, materialistic, etc. unless you meet a flat out bitch, and then there's no hope either way. Please note that women of ALL ages can be psychotic, so there's no escaping that. So, my word of wisdom for today is...guys...always date UP!

Why do many smokers fail to understand the reasoning behind these laws? It baffles me. The law is being passed to protect the health of employees and patrons. They are not even addressing the fact that it's a matter of common courtesy and respect for those around you. If I like to listen to music really loud am I allowed to sit a boombox down on the bar next to you? No. Why? It annoys you and might damage your hearing. If my "vice" is to sit at a bar and poke myself with cocktail toothpicks while I have a pint is it my right to poke you with toothpicks also? I might enjoy that so why shouldn't you just sit there and tolerate it? You would probably find it annoying. A little common sense goes a long way.

When you're sitting in a bar having a cocktail you're not endangering the health of the people around you. Unless you're DWI, which has already been OUTLAWED (in theory)... I think this quote from the article means a lot: "Bars and restaurants have not suffered where bans have been imposed, proponents said, because added patronage from nonsmokers more than offsets business lost from smokers." I think ultimately bar owners will prefer higher revenue over happy smokers.

How soon before NYC follows suit? I say 6 months... ----- GARDEN CITY, N.Y., Oct. 7 — Nassau County tonight became the first county in New York to extend its ban on smoking in the workplace to cover all bars, restaurants, bowling alleys and bingo halls. The County Legislature adopted the law by a 10-to-8 vote, thus winning a friendly competition with New York City and Westchester and Suffolk Counties, which are drafting similar rules that are soon scheduled for hearings. In an unusual regional move to crack down on tobacco, legislators from all four jurisdictions have met to make their proposals as uniform as possible. If the others follow Nassau's lead, most of the state's population will be covered, increasing the pressure for statewide legislation. "We're going to steamroll this downstate," said a Nassau legislator, Jeffrey Toback. After the vote, an advocate from the American Cancer Society, William Stoner, said, "Nassau County just made smoking history." County Executive Thomas R. Suozzi said he would sign the measure, most of which would go into effect on March 1. The ban on smoking at bingo halls is delayed till Jan. 1, 2004. Businesses that allow violations are punishable by fines of up of $250 a day. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg has pushed hard for a similar ban in the city, and the City Council will hold a hearing on the issue on Thursday. The Suffolk County Legislature has a hearing on Tuesday, and Westchester legislators are reviewing their own proposals. Reflecting the cooperative effort, the first witness at Nassau's hearing today was a visiting Suffolk legislator, Brian X. Foley. "If you pass this," he said, "you will be setting the momentum." He and Legislator Roger Corbin of Nassau were instrumental in extending the efforts in their counties to the city and Westchester. Upstate is getting in on the act as well. The Legislature in Onondaga County, which includes Syracuse, is considering reversing an earlier vote against a ban, though a dispute on how strict the new measure would be resulted today in legislators' shelving the issue. California and Delaware have statewide smoking bans for restaurants and bars. Local bans are being discussed in Boston and Chicago. Nassau's new regulation closes most of the loopholes in the county's ban against smoking in the workplace. The current law, for instance, allows smoking in restaurants that have special ventilation or special seating areas for smokers. Now, the only exceptions will be for businesses that derive 90 percent of their revenue from tobacco sales and for workplaces in private homes. Protecting the health of workers is the goal of the law, its supporters said in a news conference before the vote and in a three-hour public hearing here. "The job I have chosen may contribute to my death," said a statement from James DeVito of Bethpage, who said he has been a bar owner for 17 years. He is a nonsmoker, "but I do smoke whenever I go to work" by breathing the air in the bar. The smoke irritates his eyes and leaves him with a cough, he said. The secondhand smoke that a bartender typically inhales in a shift is equal to the direct smoke from half a pack of cigarettes, other speakers said, citing studies. Andrea Smith said she got bloodshot eyes, a hoarse voice and a cough as a waitress in Albany. "It's not right that I had to breathe someone else's toxic air to earn a living," she said. But opponents charged that the law would hurt bars and restaurants, and even put some of them out of business, by driving away customers who smoke. "I will be financially destroyed," said Steve Gasperini, 51, who recently bought Lisa's Lounge in Baldwin. "Most of my employees are smokers. Basically 90 percent of my customers smoke while they drink." As a Vietnam War veteran, he said, "I get a little choked up that our freedoms are being ignored." Hoping to block the ban in their county, the Suffolk Restaurant and Tavern Association plans a rally Tuesday in Hauppauge. The group predicts that a ban would cut revenues 30 percent, force layoffs and close many businesses. The Nassau law passed along party lines, approved by the Democratic majority. The Republicans failed in their proposals to exempt bars and taverns and to allow separate smoking areas in bars and restaurants. Bars and restaurants have not suffered where bans have been imposed, proponents said, because added patronage from nonsmokers more than offsets business lost from smokers. "I worked many years to fight these laws, but then I switched to support them," said Paul McIntyre, a former official of the California Restaurant Association, a trade group. Kathy Zadrozny said that business at her Aegean East restaurant in Hicksville jumped 15 percent to 20 percent when it went smoke-free. Recently she opened the no-smoking Mae Browne restaurant in Huntington — named for her grandmother, who died of emphysema. The ban's supporters also cited a poll of 1,001 Long Island adults showing that 81 percent did not smoke, 63 percent opposed smoking in restaurants and 52 percent opposed smoking in bars, and many said that they would be more likely to go to smoke-free restaurants, bars and bowling alleys. Not stopping with workplaces, the smoking ban movement is even venturing into the outdoors. The Nassau law covers outdoor restaurant tables. Huntington town officials recently banned smoking in playgrounds, Mr. Stoner said. And now Oyster Bay is proposing to ban smoking at its town parks and beaches.

broke as a joke :worry2:

You saying us old folk can't dance? Bring it on kid!

From CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/07/uk.ecstasy/index.html