a. You dont judge a venue merely by what you see on the curb. On average, the vast majority what is on the curb after a certain hour in LA is exactly that ... people that are on the curb that ARENT getting in lol. It's called the curb crowd. In Vegas, you'll see dorks n board shorts and tank tops walk up to to a venue. They'll be flanked by chicks in torn t-shirts and ripped apart jeans. Neither of them are probably going to get in. But you dont say the venue is awful based upon these peeps that arent getting in that are standing outside b. The way you review a venue/promoted night is you ATTEND IT lol. You dont stay on the curb and guess whats going on inside lol. For Forbidden City .... Friday that is the best night at the venue ... they just celebrated last week their 1 year anniversary. Ive attended it countless times, including last week. Let me tell you ... last Friday was one of the most packed venues I have seen in a long time. It was wonderful. c. The way you review a venue/promoted night that has existed for nearly a year is you REVISIT IT lol If you attend it in 2004 you dont say that what was good in 2004 might also be good in 2005. Ive attend this night in 2004 many times, and many times in 2005. d. Dont say a venue is awful unless you explain what you mean. We have these dicussions so many times on the boards. Its important, that if you dont enjoy your experience, to explain why ...was the music, the vibe, the crowd, the parking, the pricing, the drinks, the service. And just because what one person might not value important someone else might consider very significant. In summary: in this industry, you dont call a venue/promoted night awful by standing next to the parking meter outside and guessing whats going on inside.