without a doubt . . . i always pulled off the rubber covering on the joystick. remember the paddles, for games like pong and warlord . . . i was the bomb at combat, especially the tanks! that was shit was phat, you had like 20 different versions on one cartridge. i think it was game 7 where the tanks had the bullets that would bounce all over the place. . . how bout asteroids and space invader. on asteroids i would thrust across the screen and see how long i would last. i always hated those little ufo's that would come out and start blasting before the next stage, those fuckin bastards . . . ATARI was the shit, F everything else including that stupid intellivision . . . --------------------------------------------- Life is too short to be small.