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Yea sure, america always ethical and moral and never does anything for own personal gain ... .. $$ and greed is the devils work and the US has no involvment in such dealings . lol How big is the box your living in ? Corruption is everywhere ! ..when you get that into your head ,thats a start for you .

yea sure , and american companies weren't making millions also off the Oil for Food program..........don't ya just love playing the victim ??!! ...WITH TIME ONE SEE'S WHO WAS RIGHT ....and in the case of Iraq that was certainly the case .... Bush rushed into war , no WMd's , no imminent danger , nuff said .. talk all you want about the UN and it's faults , but in the END they are the ones telling the US "told ya so " .

..The US is clearly intimidated by europes rapid economic growth .

...had an awesome time , good all around atmosphere and a great group of friends add to it nice funky music and a bottle of kettle one and im SET BITCHES !!!!

..fuck bush , sooner or later people will realize how fucked up he's leaving this country . wait and see .

i can't believe that they didn't insert paper trails (receipt) into those machines .. .. ..mind boggling .

..what the US drug agencies aren't telling you ....i wonder why (#2420221) this isnt wexactly a crosspost, but heres the link. its quite a long article, so im not goin to copy n paste 5 pages worth of stuff here. ppl give it a read if u think the coke as of late has been 'different' SOURCE: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/...tw=wn_tophead_6 ah hell, ill copy n paste the first page on here. The Mystery of the Coca Plant That Wouldn't Die The war on Colombia's drug lords is losing ground to an herbicide-resistant supershrub. Is it a freak of nature - or a genetically modified secret weapon? By Joshua DavisPage 1 of 5 next » I've got 23 ziplock bags filled with coca leaves laid out on the rickety table in front of me. It's been seven hours since the leaves were picked, and they're already secreting the raw alkaloid that gives cocaine its kick. The smell is pungently woody, but that may just be the mold growing on the walls of this dingy hotel room in the southern Colombian jungle. Somewhere down the hall, a woman is moaning with increasing urgency. I've barricaded the door in case the paramilitaries arrive. I drop half a milliliter of water into a plastic test tube and mash a piece of a leaf inside. As the water tints green, I notice that my hands are shaking. I haven't slept for two days, and the Marxist guerrillas have this town encircled. But what's really making me nervous is the green liquid in the tube. Over the past three years, rumors of a new strain of coca have circulated in the Colombian military. The new plant, samples of which are spread out on this table, goes by different names: supercoca, la millonaria. Here in the southern region it's known as Boliviana negra. The most impressive characteristic is not that it produces more leaves - though it does - but that it is resistant to glyphosate. The herbicide, known by its brand name, Roundup, is the key ingredient in the US-financed, billion-dollar aerial coca fumigation campaign that is a cornerstone of America's war on drugs. One possible explanation: The farmers of the region may have used selective breeding to develop a hardier strain of coca. If a plant happened to demonstrate herbicide resistance, it would be more widely cultivated, and clippings would be either sold or, in many cases, given away or even stolen by other farmers. Such a peer-to-peer network could, over time, result in a coca crop that can withstand large-scale aerial spraying campaigns. But experts in herbicide resistance suspect that there is another, more intriguing possibility: The coca plant may have been genetically modified in a lab. The technology is fairly trivial. In 1996, Monsanto commercialized its patented Roundup Ready soybean - a genetically modified plant impervious to glyphosate. The innovation ushered in an era of hyperefficient soybean production: Farmers were able to spray entire fields, killing all the weeds and leaving behind a thriving soybean crop. The arrival of Roundup Ready coca would have a similar effect - except that in this case, it would be the US doing the weed killing for the drug lords. Whether its resistance came from selective breeding or genetic modification, the new strain poses a significant foreign-policy challenge to the US. How Washington responds depends on how the plant became glyphosate resistant. That's why I'm here in the jungle - to test for the new coca. I've brought along a mobile kit used to detect the presence of the Roundup Ready gene in soybean samples. If the tests are inconclusive, my backup plan is to smuggle the leaves to Colombia's capital, Bogotá, and have their DNA sequenced in a lab. In my hotel room, I put the swizzle stick-sized test strip into the tube filled with mashed Boliviana negra. The green water snakes up the strip. If the midsection turns red, I'll know that the drug lords have genetically engineered the plant and beaten the US at its own game. If it doesn't, it'll mean that Colombia's farmers have outwitted 21st-century technology with an agricultural technique that's been around for 10,000 years. I first learned about the possibility of herbicide-resistant cocaine eight weeks before I arrived in South America. I was having a quiet Sunday brunch at home in California with a few friends and their Colombian guest. It was a beautiful day; we sat on the deck and chatted about upcoming vacation plans over waffles and grapefruit juice. The conversation changed when the guest began talking about how he'd spent three years working in the military intelligence branch of the Colombian army, which has been waging a civil war against the guerrillas for four decades. His main assignment was to prevent insurgents from importing weapons and military technology. After the US helped the Colombian military dismantle the Medellín and Cali cocaine cartels in the '90s, the guerrillas moved in and took over much of the drug trade. By the late '90s, rebels controlled more than a third of the country and had the financial clout to intensify the war and protect their newfound position as narcotraffickers. It's an extremely lucrative business. The coke habit in the US alone was worth $35 billion in 2000 - about $10 billion more than Microsoft brought in that year. But the most intriguing development he mentioned was regular reports of Roundup Ready coca. "We started to hear about this plant three years ago," he said. "We understood then that the spraying was not killing it, but nobody wants to talk about it because it might put an end to American aid money." US aid to Colombia totaled more than $750 million last year and has been flooding in since 2000, when Congress approved the Clinton administration's Plan Colombia, a regional anti-narcotics package. About 20 percent of the money was devoted to maintaining a fleet of crop dusters and support planes that make almost daily sorties over the Colombian countryside. (The rest of the money went to economic support, military aid, and police training.) The crop dusters fly high, out of artillery range, until they reach a designated coca field, and then descend to spray the plants with a coating of Roundup. The concept is simple: Kill the coca and there will be no cocaine. The day after our brunch, I looked up the Herbicide Resistance Action Committee and spoke with Ian Heap, the committee's chair. Heap is a global herbicide watchdog. If a farmer in Thailand notes that a certain weed is surviving repeated herbicide applications, local scientists will collect a sample and ship it to Corvallis, Oregon, where Heap runs a private laboratory. He is funded primarily by herbicide manufacturers who want to know how effective their products are. I figured he would know something about the reported resistance in coca. "So they've finally done it," he said with a breezy Australian accent. "I've been waiting for a call like this for a long time."

...lots of folks unfortunatly are only interested in "instant gratification" (400-900$ tax cuts) they don't think on the debts we are going to aquire in the upcoming future . sad .

..very worrysome and desperate act , and yet you have sheep like Igloo who state that hating bush is a "trandy thing to do " .. .. ... it's no trend , people seriously and genuinly fear for this countries future with this idiot in office . ..im one of them .

lmao !!!! .. .. ...

Isn't it true ? .............. How do buisiness executives make money ??? .. buy low and sell high in order to make a profit . simple junior high economics ...im not saying it's illegal or even imoral .. ....but don't you feel a multi-millionaire buisiness owner should give a little bit more to the very society that gives him a super confortable life ? 3,000$ more in taxes for someone making 2.1 million $ isn't NOTHING TO EM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No Gratitude ? Humanity ? ...oh yea we're in the US ...its full force ahead and fuck your neighbor ....almost like those broken down drivers on I-95 huh ? fuck em !

.. When you sending me the new Sheep Of The Underground promo cd ?

..the rich get rich in part by taking advantage of poor people ....where else do they make thier money ? I laugh at the concept of "oh, but they work hard !" ,,fact of the matter is that I have known people who work 16-18 hour days only to bring 150$ home ...so for anyone to come with that excuse is ridiculous . ..why is it a bad thing for them to give something extra back to society ?, which in the first place allowed them their material wealth in the first place . They'll continue Rich and at the same time allow others to live a better life . * Humanity ! got it ?

...the "perfect drug" ain't too shaby aswell .

Aren't you suppose to be in the Sheep convention 2004 , in Nashville TN ??? ..either way , welcome back ~

GWB and guiliani come to mind .

I know right lol ...This country unfortunatly is full of idiots .....thats why I don't feel as bad by seeing Bush back in office .

Once again, millions of republicans have voted against their own economic interests. Why? Moral issues. The far-right of the republican party, including Bush and his strategic team, discovered a long time ago that moral issues like abortion, stem cell research, guns, faith, and gay marriage, could be their ticket to domination of the U.S government. They've spent decades plotting a comeback with this strategy in mind. G.W Bush came along in the right place, at the right time. Karl Rove, Cheney, and others....saw in Bush a populist appeal that would virtually guarantee them victory. I was laughing hysterically just a minute ago as Bush gave his acceptance speech. He thanked his family, friends, and campaign manager very generously. And then he, with a weird look on his face, cynically referred to Karl Rove as "The Architect." I just about fell off my chair. Basically, they turned out the anti-homosexual vote. They energized the social conservatives with initiatives defending marriage in 10 (or maybe 11, can't remember) states. Not only do I believe that this was the reason for Bush winning, I believe it was a conscious strategy devised by Bush's team. It all started with the talk about amending the U.S constitution (which they knew would never pass, but spoke publicy about anyway to get the ball rolling on their strategy). Next, a constant stream of rhetoric from right-wing media about how gay-marriage would send the United States into the moral toilet (they love the slippery slope argument). And to everyone's surprise, people ate it up and got behind Bush even more strongly. That is strange, considering John Kerry is ALSO against gay-marriage! People are voting for Bush, not because they are concerned about their children's or even their own economic interests, but because they are sitting on their couch at home worrying about the homosexual hordes they perceive as gathering just outside their fragile homes. The homosexuals, the terrorists, the east-coast liberals, the blacks and mexicans, etc. I firmly believe that Rove's strategy involves appealing to the ignorance and bigotry of middle and southern America. If you look at the facts concerning the "Richest Democracy in the World": 50 million without healthcare...people losing family wage jobs left and right...cost of higher education rising at a ridiculous pace...quality of public education dipping...increasing demand crisis in terms of consumer spending (due to massive debts)...lack of facilities for mental illness...vaccine shortages...overpriced prescriptions...massive military spending, 1200 young people DEAD in Iraq, upwards of 100,000 Iraqis DEAD, and an ONGOING GUERILLA WAR (the end of which doesn't seem very near). And then you remember that conservatives are worried about gay marriage...stem cells....abortion. They want a "Godly man" in the whitehouse, who has "Firm moral leadership." Now, I'm sure lot's of conservatives are doing just fine economically, but the fact is, many of them aren't. What do you do if you can't afford to send your kid to college? What do you do if you are worried about retirement? A lost job? Rising prices and stagnating wages? Well, I guess if you are a conservative you just ignore it and go to church. I think this country is suffering. Through religion, moral issues have been promoted by the right-wing as a conscious effort to divert attention from economic concerns. A culture of fear has been constructed which keeps people intimidated and scared of change. Millions of so-called Americans are hateful and ignorant (either by choice or environment). They care only about themselves and their tiny world-view, unwilling to accept any departure from their way of life. Unfortunately for them, they don't realize that John Kerry represented no challenge to that rural, moral existence. In fact, Kerry would have respected them more, and done more to help those who needed it. Many of these people, I believe, are good and honest at heart. Yet they've been duped once again in 2004. 4 more years of the same bullshit, AGAIN. But, we DEMOCRATS did one hell of a job mobilizing people, and I feel that the ideals of liberalism are still ALIVE! We aren't going away for the next 4 years. Well, unless I move to Canada One thing that we need to work on, with all this newfound enthusiasm, is to begin grass-roots preparatory work for state ballot initiatives which will REFORM the voting system, with instant runoff systems AND proportional representation!

We're on the same page, once again ! Humility is needed !!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not a matter of everyone being in total economic equality , but rather not have the economic classes so polarized as they are today ......... The rich get richer and the poorer get poorer , Im not into that ,and thats what i see nowadays . ...im at ease and ain't axious at all , You reap what you sow , thats my frame of mind right now .. ps..... the oven thing didn't work , shit melted ...oh well .

The world is not a conservative place , it a ever changing dynamic/progressive stage ... .. ..only redneck idiots who never missed sunday church service nor left the continental Us would think so .

Right on ! .....I like this country alot , but sadly I can only handle about 50% of the total population ....the other 50% i rather not say . & young people messed up big time ......only 1 in 10 ,eligable 18-24 year olds voted , truly a pathetic number ! .

...very classy comment on your part ....like a true super citizen .

...." you sleep on the nest you build ", and this is the case with Bush's win ...lets see now where this country is headed . on a side note: I find it pathetic on how only 1 out of 10 eligable 18-24 year old voted in this election , truly pathetic . Fear is a awesome tool !! gotta love it !

u can say that lol ...........im saving it to bang jenna bush as revenge if bush wins . imma try this technique ....bake it in your oven on warm or the lowest setting for around 6 or 7 minutes. Take it out and crush it all with a credit card, license, etc. It is nice like that. The whole bunch of it is ready to go for lines or foilies. Hell yeah! hyena wish me luck !