Why Is Hip Hop More Popular Than House

[silverbull]

I dont know why i cant understand. Im from the projects of brooklyn hip hop is all over this neighborhood. Ive lived here all my life and im like the only one who blasts houe music. And i dont even know why people get more xcited for rap,its annoying. You cant even dance to that shit.

[drmoxx]

i'm with you

[dtrave]

Originally posted by silverbull

I dont know why i cant understand. Im from the projects of brooklyn hip hop is all over this neighborhood. Ive lived here all my life and im like the only one who blasts houe music. And i dont even know why people get more xcited for rap,its annoying. You cant even dance to that shit.

The Main reason Is MTV

[ibclubbin]

most people cant dance.....they feel silly dancing to house music...hiphop anyone can grind to, even if it isnt rhymatic

and the lyrics make people laugh too.....

that and most people dont have any soul...which is why they dont like house music, music with real soul:rock:

BG

[candg]

I can't speak for NY, but in Tampa, House basically doesn't exist. Most people, regardless of race or taste in music can identify breakbeat, but no one has a clue about house. I guess it all depends what you listen to while your growing up. Chances to see a DJ spinning house here are few and far between, and the crowd is probably going to be a weak one due to lack of interest.

[zade]

Although hip hop is huge in the U.S up until a couple of years ago its popularity had dropped in the rest of the world and dance music and all its genres was a lot more popular.

I think if you travelled outside the U.S you would be surprised at how little hip hop music is played.

The last couple of years hip hop has grown in popularity around the rest of the world. This is largely due to american record companies buying out smaller record companies in europe asia and australia. American record companies dont understand how dance music works and find it a lot easier to heavily promote american acts.

Hip hop works quite well into the record companies formats. I t has street cred amongst youth and record companies can understand the politics behind it.

Dance music is fickle and very fast moving. Many tracks are hits without going through a major record company.

Record companies dont make much money from the sale of singles however albums make a lot more money for the companies. Hip hop acts make ideal albums where as dance music acts make one single and then depart and go onto other projects. The push of record companies to promote mixed albums such as global undergrounds, gatecrashers and the like are ways companies can make larger amounts of profits.

Ten years ago it would be hard to find a mixed album however now you can just go to kmart or target and get global underground, cream or any ministry of sound release or a dance hits or something mixed by any dj.

The popularity of hip hop is not because it is better than it use to be. It is just marketed a lot better.

I wonder if dance music was pushed and promoted like hip hop and rnb was in the united states if house music would be filling your charts like it has in the rest of the world.

reminds me of that popular saying- disco never died it just became house.

cheers Zade

[bigpoppanils]

i agree with whats been said above....but i also think theres an amount of homophobia among consumers of music as well....

[sdeelite]

Originally posted by zade

Although hip hop is huge in the U.S up until a couple of years ago its popularity had dropped in the rest of the world and dance music and all its genres was a lot more popular.

I think if you travelled outside the U.S you would be surprised at how little hip hop music is played.

The last couple of years hip hop has grown in popularity around the rest of the world. This is largely due to american record companies buying out smaller record companies in europe asia and australia. American record companies dont understand how dance music works and find it a lot easier to heavily promote american acts.

Hip hop works quite well into the record companies formats. I t has street cred amongst youth and record companies can understand the politics behind it.

Dance music is fickle and very fast moving. Many tracks are hits without going through a major record company.

Record companies dont make much money from the sale of singles however albums make a lot more money for the companies. Hip hop acts make ideal albums where as dance music acts make one single and then depart and go onto other projects. The push of record companies to promote mixed albums such as global undergrounds, gatecrashers and the like are ways companies can make larger amounts of profits.

Ten years ago it would be hard to find a mixed album however now you can just go to kmart or target and get global underground, cream or any ministry of sound release or a dance hits or something mixed by any dj.

The popularity of hip hop is not because it is better than it use to be. It is just marketed a lot better.

I wonder if dance music was pushed and promoted like hip hop and rnb was in the united states if house music would be filling your charts like it has in the rest of the world.

reminds me of that popular saying- disco never died it just became house.

cheers Zade

Very nicely put...

To add to what you said about dance music being ever evolving and fast moving....that is part of the problem in marketing it, b/c think about it...by the time they get to marketing and promoting something effectively (which takes effort, time, and money) many people have moved on to the next jam or big thing...

Also dance music is a very track induced culture based mainly on producers and NOT artists...the dance genre needs to start developing more artists that can make albums and perform live and have some staying power...Hip Hop, Rock, Country...all those genres have seriously developed artists with a huge fan base--it's something to latch on to and ppl begin to start expecting new things from different artists every year.

Yes dance has it's artists, but they are few and far between. Dance relies mainly on singles, and right now there's practically no singles market...the only way dance music record companies really make any money these days is on those compilations u see everywhere--it's also the reason why in recent years the idea of the compilation has become so popular and common place and overwhelmes our music stores.

Also, as was said before--having MTV exposure would help A LOT. But they need to see that there is massive money to be made before they put anything on the air.

Perhaps as dance music and the promotion and marketing of it evloves we will see it rise from the "underground" so to speak, or at least into some part of the mainstream. Some of it is poppy enough for it to happen, we just need a lot of the right support behind it.

[Guest saleen351]

I wish nyc did a summer music concert

SMC

we need two big ones in the biggest house cities in america... if you did that, then i think the popularity would sky rocket, since nyc leads the world in trends...

[Codica3]

Originally posted by silverbull

And i dont even know why people get more xcited for rap,its annoying. You cant even dance to that shit.

That's your opinion.

[househead24]

Yo ibclubbin hit the nail on the head...i go to school out on long island to Old Westbury and there aint notin' but black people not sayin i hate black people or notin its just ive heard about every rap song u can imagine and 50 is a god at my school...there are a select few that know about house but when i play it people are like wtf turn this shit off white boy lol...and to me its mad funny but i keep playin' it cause i love it...Even back home though me and my boys would always go to city and go out and no one would come with us, even at like smaller clubs and jus chillin drinkin beers no one wanted to listen to it...people would say its annoying, and every song sounds the same, and i cant dance to it but to me alot of times rap is boring cause new rappers take all older beats like pac and biggie's...i guess no one really understands what its like to love house music unless you join our little world, well i should say prospering world...and everywhere u go u hear the same rap songs, at clubs, the radio plays the same song 150 times a day, people singin' em, cd's all that crap, but with house its like a privelage to hear new shit...when new songs come out there not all over the radio 150 times a day, u love hearin em in the club cause the bass makes your heart beat to the beat, and its not like these dj's put out 2 cd's a year like some rappers...another thing theres no controversey and battles and all this bickering in house, the dj's just make music so we can enjoy it and move to it...

All you hip hop heads listen to some house and come join our world... :laugh:

[thehype]

Originally posted by dtrave

The Main reason Is MTV

same reason why METAL is dead, old skool metal that is. NO MORE SUPPORT FROM MTV. BRING BACK HEADBANGER'S BALL

[djjoshuacarl1]

well, also u gotta remeber, from age 5-17 all kidz are exposed to is tv & radio.

most dont hit a club til 18

and by that time they have made up their minds thanks to 15 years of brain washing.

the kids that are 18-21 now, for the most part were 10 yrs old when YO!mtv raps started, and when radio started having hiphop as a major format.

here in boston, these are the stations playing some sort of hiphop:

88.9

90.3

92.3

93.7

94.5

95.5

97.7

101.7

104.1

104.5

106.3

107.1

107.9

and that is no BS!

no, only 94.5 & 97.7 are 100% hiphop

that should answer all questions alone.

also, people know that a dance head can tolerate hiphop, usually

but hiphop heads have ZERO tolerance to anything other.

Ive actually had people IRATE when i switch over...

also, think about the image/stereo type thats sold along w/ the music

[pyrrosdimas]

Why Is Hip Hop More Popular Than House

Simple. Because more people like Hip Hop than House.

For example: you may like Honda's Accord and I may like Toyota's Camry. The Camry outsells the Accord, but that doesn't make the Camry better than the Accord.

[wisdom]

ok first off I love hip hop, its a medium that I enjoy using (my other love is house)

house on MTV!!! ... this idea is so replusive to me I had to leave this thread for an hour or two before I came back to post(other wise I would have insulted half the people in this thread). But I felt I should come back and say my piece

I am sorely disapointed that my brothers and sisters would even sugest such a thing

why?

"Also, as was said before--having MTV exposure would help A LOT. But they need to see that there is massive money to be made before they put anything on the air."

what so we should sell out our scene to make more money?

cause last time I checked the scene was about more then just money

lets look at hip hop since it seems to be the "ideal" to which house should inspire to

what has MTV done for hip hop?

nothing...right now true hip hop is hurting from the mainstream exposer (ya know what I mean). People genrally think that what they see when they turn on BET is hip hop while the real shit is getting buried by the pop hop (i.e. missy eloit, puff daddy)

So the mainsteam appeal of hip hop is not only making life harder for the artists who have to overcome the preceptions of what (mainstream) hip hop has become, but is also ruining the scene around the music as clueless MTVers are drawn to the music

and its my prediction that house would follow the same path if it were to join hip hop on MTV's top ten count down

the music would become far cheeser and the scene would become just another place for the same crowds to stand around hoping to...well I don't really know what there doing but it sure ain't dancing

in short house would lose its soul

and that would make me sad...so I'm beggin with ya, pleading with ya don't let that happen

oh yeah...and gimme some ass

[drmoxx]

nice point wisdom

the scene already has gone down due to the commercialiuzation

[Xpander]

Originally posted by silverbull

I dont know why i cant understand. Im from the projects of brooklyn hip hop is all over this neighborhood. Ive lived here all my life and im like the only one who blasts houe music. And i dont even know why people get more xcited for rap,its annoying. You cant even dance to that shit.

Good hip hop is as good as any house music, and it's far from annoying. As for not being able to dance to ths stuff, you obviously haven't seen any good b-boys and pop & lockers.

The annoying shit is the crap coming from the mainstream radio stations. And when it comes to that, all that KTU BS is just as annoying as anything that comes out of a big rap station like hot 97.

[daemoncel]

wisdom is 100% correct, this industry needs to stay underground, i will kill myself if i see a DJ BOY BAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nuff said on the Commercialization of Dance Music

and it don't matter what's more popular in the World, what matters is whats popular to you, that's the scene that you live, love, and thrive on.

just remember,

Peace

Love

Unity

Rescpect

[sdeelite]

All I'm saying is the man just asked why hip hop is more popular than house and I answered...

I'm not saying it SHOULD happen, just explaining that if it were to happen, the steps that need to be taken to make it happen.

Heavy promotion and exposure (including *gasp* mtv)=SELLING OUT.

SELLING OUT is what happens when things go mainstream. That's just the reality of it. And I'm not saying it should happen, all I'm saying is, if you were a person in a position to make a lot of money you would probably do the same thing.

Part of this culture's charm is the fact that not everyone understands it or accepts it. Most the music is somewhat underground and we like to keep it "our little secret" so to speak. But if u want something to become popular it can't be kept a secret.

To be honest I think hip hop has def. suffered from its over exposure...I love hip hop as well, and find myself gravitating towards listening to the older stuff more and more these days b/c most the new shit sucks (with the exception of ppl like common and the roots). Musically, hip hop has suffered, financially however you can see it has flourished.

"in short house would lose its soul

and that would make me sad...so I'm beggin with ya, pleading with ya don't let that happen"

Believe me wisdom...u have no idea how far away we are from that happening. So I wouldn't sit there and worry about it too much.

[zade]

Adding further to what has been said I think drum and bass and jungle are far more interesting genres of music than hip hop. This genre is mainstream in the u.k and other countries around the world however in the U.S its regarded as underground.

I am unsure why people think because it becomes commercialised it will ruin the whole scene. Sure it may become cheesy to an extent but it wont ruin good music.

Keeping music underground results in small crowds and very few people spending money on it. This in turn results in club owners becoming very wary of anything different so they keep to the same, instead of exploring and experiamenting.

In 1987 in melbourne australia people organised a party in a airport hanger playing an unusual style of music. 20,000 people turned up and this music was called house. If no one had turned up to this party I think it would have been several more years later before house music took off in Australia. In early 1988 several house records went to the top of the charts in australia. Likewise 1988/89 started the summer of love in the U.K. which quickly spread throughout europe.

Last year I went to a party which was put on by the government in a street, with dj's at every main intersection playing house, trance, jungle, breaks and all sorts of dance music. This was free to the public and attracted an estimated 80,000 people. This is one of the best dance events I have been too.

If the government here put on a similiar type event for hip hop it may attract perhaps 5000 people. I know hip hop is huge in the U.S and so is country music however for the rest of the world its not that big.

I think because we had the dance music explosion several years ago we are more accepting of different types of music and our charts while full of commercial music, its full of all different styles of music. Some good some bad.

Most of the charts are also compiled in a different way to the U.S. Point of sales at registars record the number of sales a record may have. In the U.S the charts are complied by mostly radio play. This is also why the american charts move so slow.

I think their has to be a balance between commercial and underground to keep a scene healthy. Likewise a bigger house scene in the U.S and a little less hip hop would be a good thing.

cheers Zade

[djjoshuacarl1]

another thing u have to think about, especially here in boston.

think about how big the dance community was in say: 2000

now think of how many nights & clubs have sprung up since then.

if theres only 5000 clubkids in a city, and 7 clubs, 5 lounges, 5 bars.... then fine

but if theres 5000 people, and 20 clubs, 30 lounges and 15 bars.

well...

there ya go.

[monicac]

Word to wisdom......and I'm sorry but 50 cent is NOT hiphop. I think more people like it because they like it! I think hiphop is more diverse then house-I used to not think that until I realized how many people who listened to dance music regularly but were not DJs asked me what exactly the difference was between hard, disco, funky, detroit, electro house etc. was. I think you have to be pretty into it to appreciate it fully. Also, in regards to the assertion that hiphop is popular due to record companies......rock was still the #1 "market" in the US up until like 1999, and you can't say the rap didn't begin to develop or become popular until then. Plus, I live in Mexico City where there is ONE SHELF devoted to hiphop in the largest youth market record store in the city. Regardless, kids here are hungry for it and if you go to any of the countless bootleg CD stands here, which is where most people under 30 get their music, the majority of it is dance or latin rock, but the largest growing segment is hiphop. People will make special trips to seek out the places they can get it, Tepito or this other market on Saturdays. Even though the only club that plays it here is 99% reggae, with maybe two rap songs in a night, there are underground shows and local groups, in a place where the closest you get to radio play is the Dre remix of "I Miss You". I have found this to be true in a lot of Europe as well, even though it has been popular there longer.

[silverbull]

ALL i know that theres something about hearing HOUSE,TRANCE TECHNO in a club with the lights smoke banging beats coming out of the speakres, sirens, ohhhhhhhh and ofcourse all the great music that is house gets me body pumping.Hip ho doent do that to me, Im an old scholl hip hop lover up until i think 1995 i liked hip hop since then ive really havent liekd anything. I dont mean to offend anybody who likes hip hop but my preference is HOUSE MUSIC.

[djprime]

Originally posted by silverbull

ALL i know that theres something about hearing HOUSE,TRANCE TECHNO in a club with the lights smoke banging beats coming out of the speakres, sirens, ohhhhhhhh and ofcourse all the great music that is house gets me body pumping.Hip ho doent do that to me, Im an old scholl hip hop lover up until i think 1995 i liked hip hop since then ive really havent liekd anything. I dont mean to offend anybody who likes hip hop but my preference is HOUSE MUSIC.

agree....1996 and after hip hop was bullshit...all about bling, bling, shooting and all that shit.....

1988-1995 was the golden years...made me stop playing hip hop and stay with house ever since....

[Codica3]

It's all opinion.