Isn't Van Helden a pretty ghetto guy? So, if the people there are actually his fans, they were probably trying to emulate their hero which is how Armand dresses. I never heard him live but I do like some of his releases. That is funny though, basing your good time or lack of on how people dressed and danced. Last I checked, there was never a class offered on proper club etiquette. Maybe someone could start one up. BTW, since we're on crowds, what's the best crowd you ever liked-past or present? Mine would have to be JV's crowd when he was at the Palladium (Arena). The reason why was because it was mixed but more on the gay side. However, the women that were allowed in were absolute knockouts. And, they were a lot easier to approach because nobody in there groped them. God damn I miss that era!